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Fuji to fix the Orbs problem

Discussion in 'Fuji's Small Sensor X Cameras' started by jknights, Mar 5, 2012.

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  1. jknights

    jknights Moderator Staff Member

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    Just read this statement on DPReview news.
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/05/Fujifilm-promises-to-fix-x10-white-orb-blooming

    Apparently on March 12th Fuji will release information on their fix for the white orbs problem in the X10.
     
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    Releasing information and "fixing" are not the same. The light blooms are a function of the sensor, not the software. It's likely that they won't have a permanent fix. I'll remain hopeful, but can't imagine how they'll solve an inherent design problem for those few X10s with the problem.
     
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    Maybe they'll give me $600.00 off on the purchase of an X-PRO1. Maybe not.
     
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    I don't follow your reasoning – if it is an inherent design problem would it not affect all the X10s?
     
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    'Definitive solution' sounds like a fix to me.
     
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    The simple question is: How much will this solution cost the end user who already owns a orbing camera? Plus: How will this solution affect overall image quality, aka are there any side effects?

    As for the solution itself: I heard about a possible fix almost a month ago, but since I'm not qualified to talk about and judge technical details, I'm certainly not able to discuss it w/o making a fool out of myself. Hoewever, if this particular solution is indeed the one that will materialize, it won't involve changing the entire sensor, but only a part that is associated with it. Since WDS doesn't really affect my real photography with thr X10, I'm in wait and see mode: How well does it work, what are potential side effects?
     
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    They will come with a statement that there is no problem, that it is only a internet magnification of a phenomena not only the X10 suffers.

    Or maybe they will try to sell it as a feature.

    The X11 will have a solution.

    Remember the IR thing on the M8? I worked with the M8 for one day and brought it back. Leica stated it was only a minor effect on certain black fabrics. Tell that to somebody who need to make series of peoples in black tuxedo......

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Wrong.

    Wrong.

    And wrong.
     
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    Time will tell, and we have less than a week to wait. Let's be optimistic. And let's not beat up the subject, as most of us are clueless about what will be announced. And those of us who may know are remaining silent.
     
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    Maybe


    Maybe


    Maybe,....... but it would be a pity if the X11 still show the orbs.
     
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    Nope.

    Nope.


    What X11?
     
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    As with all discussions on all forums that mention "orbs," this one has become, predictably, inane. It's in Fuji's court. Let's leave it there.
     
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    maybe they will take our X10's back and give us a refund. who's up for that?
     
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    Countdown, for all of you with sensor bloom...
     
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    March 12. And still counting...
     
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    For those of you who haven't seen this, the Fuji announcement follows:

    "March 12, 2012

    The FUJIFILM X10 and X-S1 digital cameras were made available by Fujifilm late last year, and have been generally very well received by customers, who admire the excellent picture quality, manual zoom lens and viewfinder.

    However, we did receive some inquiries concerning the so-called ‘white disc’ or ‘blooming’ occurrence, where exceptional highlights in the picture can appear as strongly delineated rounded shapes. This ‘blooming’ effect can occur with all digital cameras which use CMOS sensors, to varying degrees. It can also occur with the X10 and X-S1 when shooting in certain conditions, e.g. cars with front lights shining in dark night scene. The X10 and X-S1 are fitted with a very advanced sensor, which gives excellent picture quality and low noise, but which does give a different ‘blooming’ effect from other cameras.

    Fujifilm has a long-standing history of delivering top quality products to the market. In response to our customers’ comments, we have worked hard to find an improvement to reduce the ‘blooming’ effect of the X10 and X-S1. Below are the actions we have undertaken.

    In February, we announced a firmware upgrade for the X10 (version 1.03) which does reduce the white disc occurrence specifically in EXR mode. It works by identifying scenes that are likely to get ‘white disc’ blooming. When the camera recognizes such a scene, it automatically increases the ISO and optimizes DR (dynamic range). As the ISO increases, the white discs are less evident. * New firmware for the X-S1 will be available from March 21, 2012.

    We will also develop a modified sensor, which will more universally resolve the ‘white disc’ blooming effect in all modes. We are working hard to make this new sensor available from late May 2012.

    We encourage any customer with an X10 and X-S1 who has experienced the ‘white disc’ phenomenon to call their local authorized Fujifilm service centre.
    Fujifilm is committed to delivering the highest quality products to the photographic community, and is happy to provide this improvement."
     
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    The wording makes no sense. There are no "local service centers" in North America. There may be regional ones, or a national service center. In Phoenix (population four million) there is only one full-service camera shop. There are none in Los Angeles, population ten million.

    Whoever writes Fuji's announcements is living in a parallel universe.
     
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    That was a global announcement, not just for North America, in many other parts of our big blue world there are plenty of regional service centers, however you are correct North America only has a few.


     
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    Even more strange is that Fujifilm does not outright state that all current X10/X-S1 owners are eligible to have their sensor replaced. You are told only to call Fuji if you experience bloom. Why not tell people in the press release that when the sensor is available, that ALL owners can have their sensor replaced?
     
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    Why should Fuji replace sensors of cameras that already have the new sensor built-in? That would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?
     
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