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Why Not X100 Firmware Update

Discussion in 'X100, X100S, X100T, and X70' started by jedorme, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. jedorme

    jedorme Active Member

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    I understand that the X-Pro1 firmware update was basically the following: The two primary improvements were focus speed, and card write speed, both of which were done with new algorithms to improve performance. Manual focus also got some attention, adding a 3x magnification option and fixing the fly-by-wire focus ring performance. And an Auto ISO with ISO 6400 max was added. 

    Would it not be possible for Fuji to make most if not all of these same improvements to the X100 firmware? Or at the very least give us something approximating the focus speed & card write speed of the the X-Pro1 & soon to be X-E1. I can live without fixing the focus ring because the auto focus button is a work around, but I imagine that would also be appreciated by many who still want true manual focus capability. What do you folks think?
     
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    petemasty New Member

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    Heartily agree with you on this issue. Surely it cant be that difficult, and it would make the X100 an even greater camera. I do have issues with the AF speed insomuch that it is inconsistant.

    We live in hope.
     
  3. hunz

    hunz Premium Member

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    :lol:
     
  4. Semla

    Semla Premium Member

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    I would be surprised if we see any further firmware update for X100.
     
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    So would I.
     
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    ...maybe one more at least? :blink:


    BlackLE
     
  7. jedorme

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    Maybe it's the second glass of wine talking, but I don't see any reason why we X100 owners should just accept the fact that it is OK for Fuji to provide some really significant firmware improvements for their latest X series cameras but then totally ignore the very camera that started this amazing product line.

    Even from their point of view, since they don't seem ready to completely abandon the X100 & must obviously be thinking about selling more of them (recognizing that hobby cameras are a very small part of their business model & global earnings), it's kind of a no brainier to take what they already have developed & use it to improve an another current viable product. Particularly since the X100 owners are not only their core X camera customers, but also those most likely to stay with Fuji when looking at their next camera purchase.

    Perhaps they need to take a lesson from someone like Apple & observe how they have carefully cultivated their core customers & focused on them to the point where they have gone from a minor tech company to a world leader. When Apple develops a new operating system, whether for their computers, iPads or iPhones, they make certain that it works for all of them. And guess what happens, their customers soon upgrade to the newest hardware. I know, I've been doing it since 1984.

    So for me at least I question what is it that we X100 owners need to do to make this clear to whoever at Fuji makes these kind of firmware upgrade decisions. Letter writing campaigns, emails to whoever, tweeting, blogging, Occupy Fuji, or something more. But it appears if we do nothing about trying to get them to improve this already quite magnificent X100 camera, they will likely do the same.

    Pardon my rant, but it truly seems that while we spend our time on this forum & others talking about the many aspects of this fine little camera, getting Fuji to make the same changes they have already made to the X-Pro1 & the X-E1 should really be more important to all of us. Cheers,

    Jed
     
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  8. Anthelix

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    I agree with you. One of the main reasons that made me choose Fuji is the fact that they opted for a continual improvement policy. Their products were far from useable when launched. But Fuji improved them by following the opinions of millions of users, not only a few specialists. In the contrary DSLR makers produce cameras that work perfectly from the beginning (normally), but never get improved during their life cycle, and then are less likely to be suited to the needs of users at a given time. With the policy, Fuji can be much more responsive to the trends of their users pool than other makers.
    But if they were to stop their support for the X100 now, I think it would severely dent the corporate image they created. Only when most X100 users will have switched to the X200, then it will be time to end the X100 support. This camera has become very good, but there's still room for improvement.
     
  9. Arjay

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    Let's stay peaceful, folks...

    I presume that Fuji sees the X100 as a mature product that doesn't necessarily require the same attention to its current firmware as with the more recent products. The X100 has hopefully developed into a stable cash cow by now so that Fuji will be able to amortize a fair share of their product development investment. Fine for them and good for us, because it brought us the X-Pro 1 and the X-E1. And let's not forget, the X100 today is meeting practically all of the design objectives it originally was laid out for.

    I wouldn't hold my breath for further X100 firmware updates, but maybe a strong and vocal X100 user base can motivate them to provide further updates on a pay-for basis ...
     
  10. Anthelix

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    I refuse to pay for bug and quirk corrections. However, I would be happy to pay for major revisions, with new added functionnalities, exactely as I pay for new versions of image processing software. I think it is a great idea which could help increasing the durability of our cameras.
     
  11. jedorme

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    I think Arjay's suggestion of asking existing X100 owners to pay for a firmware 2.0 upgrade is extremely sensible & mirrors what is often done in the computer world to allow the development of costly new operating systems. This gives those that are quite happy with what they have that option but still permits others to take advantage of the improvements. And it would also send an important message to all existing or future Fuji camera owners that they fully support their product lines. As for me right now I am very interested in the new X-E1 but probably won't buy it because I don't want to find myself in the same situation 2 years from now - owning another Fuji camera that is no longer able to be improved while Fuji focuses all their attention on their latest & greatest.
     
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    The x100 doesn't REALLY need much anymore. Faster manual focus and that's all. Arjay said it correct. It's a mature well functioning product. It's my only camera and I feel very confident in it now.
     
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    Really very fine words, but for have the Raw button free from the rear dial control block, must I wait the X200?

    Ciao a tutti, Pietro.
     
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    i agree that we need at least one more update... manual focus speed. and easy access to Auto ISO on/off. the fact that i need to press 8+ buttons to turn auto ISO on or off is just crazy to me...
     
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    I don't know how solid this is, but I read this blurb on Steve Huff's web site regarding what a Fuji rep said during Photokina 2012. Quote: "The rep of at the booth said that despite the release of the X-E1 they have not let down the X100. There will be something coming." Hopefully this is true. While the X100 may not need any more updates (this is debatable), I think the potential for improvement is still considerable. And I would probably also pay for enhancements as someone else suggested. I would like to also see Fuji update the X100 FW to match the XE-1, Xpro-1 FW more or less. The Fuji X100 interface seems to have been taken from some of their older cameras and hopefully, given that these are premium X products, Fuji will want to bring the software up to a level that matches the excellence of it's hardware.

    ref. to article- scroll down to XE-1 segment:

    http://www.stevehuff...ca-m-fuji-x-e1/
     
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    So the burning question now is... how much would any of us pay for a MAJOR firmware update?
    $50, $100?

    Let's say fw1.4/2.0 came out tomorrow and it offered faster AF, better MF, autoISO mapped to raw/fn button, perhaps a greater raw ISO range (100 to 25600?) and faster cold start.
    What would you honestly pay for all this?
     
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    None, my X-100 is fine just like it is.
     
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    i would love the double exposure option as well...

    auto ISO on/off integrated into the quick ISO selection option on Fn or Raw button
    faster manual focus
    double exposure

    i would pay for that... how much... not a ton... but i would pay for those options.
     
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    Since I raised this question of how best to accomplish an upgrade to our X100 firmware, I suppose I should ante up. For an upgrade very comparable to what has been created for the X-E1 & made available for the X-Pro1 with v2.0, I know I would pay up to $50 & give serious consideration up to $100. Even without a crystal ball, it would seem that the used value of our X100's would be benefited by this & might even offset the upgrade cost.
     
  20. Semla

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    I've not seen camera manufacturers charge for additional firmware updates? That means charging and billing systems are not in place which needs to be invested in. All the administration, staff, development and testing needed. I don't see how to provide such service and make it go round with $50-$100/update.

    And since they are charging for the updates, making these to work and not cause ill-effects will be a new liability accountable for.

    Now, the firmware updates are free and can be considered as a nice gesture or gift from the camera manufacturers.
    That will change when they start to charge for it and I don't think it will happen.
     

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