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'Poor man's FLOG' setting in X-T2

Discussion in 'Videography' started by Stephen Beat, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. otsws

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    My non-scientific response here, Internal looks the best. Yeah, I have found even with the Sony's and GH5 that Log images held more noise.
    F-Log I thought I wanted and now all I want is a decent rec 709 image, I still find the X-T2 crushes those blacks just tad much. I really like the mid range push with Astia and at this point I'm gonna stick with this, this week. I have a three day shoot with serval clients.
     
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    Yeah, unless you have access to 10bit or more, you might find it a good idea to finalize your image in-camera.
     
  3. Taranis

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    Just a quick comparison to show you the positive side of F-Log. There might be times when you really need all the DR you can get. First one is Poor Man's F-Log, second is real F-Log. In both cases highlights are just below clipping point.

    DR_Poorman.jpg
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    Much more shadow detail in the real F-Log. It's worth mentioning that I could push the shadows of the in-camera version, and got almost as much detail as in F-Log, but there was less color information there, and the whole image looked a bit HDR-ish while F-Log remained natural. I did this test with other demanding scenes too, and always came to the same conclusion. F-Log has it's problems but it's better to have it than not. However, once we get it in-camera (let's hope we will), I'll sell the BM Video Assist 4K in a heartbeat.
     
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    Yep, big difference right there. I'm sure if F-Log was available as an internal option myself and others would be shooting this way. I was very close in getting an external recorder however my style now is to be minimal these days. I used to cary around 60 kilos of equipment on shoots, now it all fits in a should bag and love this direction. In fact when I was shooting yesterday two people came up and said, great day for taking photos, I love how we can now be seen as a small, rather than a large production when out shooting now with our Fuji equipment.

    I wonder which direction Fuji will take the video side of there top end product. Looks like the X-T2 has hit a brick wall with improvements so will there be a new camera next year or is this the best we can expect, time will tell hey!
     
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    Hey I ment to ask Taranis, what are you editing in? and how are you grading.
     
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    I use Resolve for color grading since version 11. I used to edit in Premiere but now I try to do everything in Resolve, it's getting better and better. The grading process depends on the source, it's a hobby for me but I do help out friends who have different cameras, so there is no single way I could describe.
     
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    Cool man, Ive been looking at Resolve for editing and looks good.

    Cheers, Simon
     
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    Earlier I posted some banding comparisons. The F-Log version looked pretty bad there, but I realized that I didn't press record on the camera before pressing record on the video assist. For some reason you have to press both or weird things happen.

    This is the wrong version: Please login to view links
    The noise has this ugly horizontal pattern, and the image is not that crisp.
    This is the good version: Please login to view links
    Noise is still there but more "blocky" and subtle.
    After a bit of cleanup: Please login to view links

    I analyzed F-Log samples from 4 different people, and 3 of them recorded F-Log wrong, judging by the noise pattern.
     
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    I'll have a look when I'm back home.

    I've been away all this week and shooting with the Provia Film Simulation for a client. Gota say, this is really the best basic Film Simulation straight outa camera although the blacks are a bit crushed for my liking at times.

    Think I'm gonna stick with Provia for a while now, I did start with this and then worked my way through the other Film Simulations without much success for me.
    I really wish there were a few extra creative functions/adjustments in the X-T2 to dial in or out these profiles to my liking.

    Good Shooting.

    Simon
     
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    The difference is not that visible when watching the monitor in bright sunlight, if this is the case, crank up the saturation until the artifacts show.

    I did comparisons when I got the camera, I always prefered the colors of Pro Neg STD or Pro Neg Hi over Provia. I think I only used for Provia for some landscape photos, it's great for those.
     

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